Independent Iowa Music Discussion for e-Scenesters
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just asking cause you randomly postpostpostpost post and then you disappear for a whileDARKBASS wrote:I don't take any prescription drugs, I would if I was sick, but I wouldn't take any mood or mind balance altering drugs or anything like that.
Like I said usually. There are exceptions to every rule.inx515xhell wrote:none of those bands have songs about dragons.DaVo wrote:Slayer, Metallic(a), Black Sabbath, every black or death metal band. The metal loves the Satan, the Dragons and the Wizards.
lol stfu. that's a weak fucking statement. all of the songs on show no mercy have more lyrical content than most hardcore band's lyrics from that time.DaVo wrote:The one thing that makes Hardcore stand out from metal is the fact the fucking lyrics usually have some meaning before them.
"You think you can destroy me? You'd better think again
I am eternal terror my quest will never end
I'll trap you in the pentagram
And seal your battered tomb
Your life is just another game
For Satan's night of doom"
VS.
"KILL A COMMIE
KILL A COMMIE
I DON'T WANT TO DIE
KILL A COMMIE
KILL A COMMIE
I DON'T WANT TO GO TO WAR"
...the thing is, that's not an exception. i understand bands like later black flag and scream had some awesome lyrical content, but to say that hardcore lyrics had more meaning behind them is foolish.DaVo wrote:Like I said usually. There are exceptions to every rule.
I'm not talking about 80s hardcore. Most of Black Flags later lyrics were fucking dumb. "I bang my fist into the wall and this is good and this is good and this is good."inx515xhell wrote:...the thing is, that's not an exception. i understand bands like later black flag and scream had some awesome lyrical content, but to say that hardcore lyrics had more meaning behind them is foolish.DaVo wrote:Like I said usually. There are exceptions to every rule.
i fucking LOVE this is good.DaVo wrote:I'm not talking about 80s hardcore. Most of Black Flags later lyrics were fucking dumb. "I bang my fist into the wall and this is good and this is good and this is good."inx515xhell wrote:...the thing is, that's not an exception. i understand bands like later black flag and scream had some awesome lyrical content, but to say that hardcore lyrics had more meaning behind them is foolish.DaVo wrote:Like I said usually. There are exceptions to every rule.
Scream? what from the Bang on the Drum record? That is a strange reference. I wouldn't call their last record a hardcore record if anything it fit more into the DC emo/post hardcore scene of the late 80s. On a side note, they were great live and I still love that first record Still Screaming.
I'm talking about currently the lyrics of "Hardcore" bands tend to be more social and political meaning then the average metal or pop song. In my opinion, the music still sucks but at least they have something to say.
TYLER VS DAVO=inx515xhell wrote:i fucking LOVE this is good.
i see what your saying, but you don't listen to enough metal to make that call (sad truth, sorry). i can think of TONS of lyrics with meaning behind them, but this is the first you've said anything about political or social meaning. even so, plenty of metal bands with political lyrics, which is a pretty broad description of lyrical content.
this has been discussed for the last 6 months in a very serious manner. its also been agonizing thinking of playing ginns parts. if it happens itll be called BLACK COFFEEinx515xhell wrote:
let's start a black flag cover band, i want to sing.
I think if you stuck to just the first 4 years it wouldn't be a problem.joseph wrote:this has been discussed for the last 6 months in a very serious manner. its also been agonizing thinking of playing ginns parts. if it happens itll be called BLACK COFFEEinx515xhell wrote:
let's start a black flag cover band, i want to sing.
its more of the absolute have to play songs that ruins that idea. and mimicking ginn is damn near impossible no matter what album. hes kinda the guitar equivalent to H.R. s singing sounds easier than it isDaVo wrote:I think if you stuck to just the first 4 years it wouldn't be a problem.joseph wrote:this has been discussed for the last 6 months in a very serious manner. its also been agonizing thinking of playing ginns parts. if it happens itll be called BLACK COFFEE
I'm sorry but I'm not going to go out of my way to listen to metal. I find most of it really, really boring. I will proudly be stuck with being labeled as closed minded.inx515xhell wrote: i fucking LOVE this is good.
i see what your saying, but you don't listen to enough metal to make that call (sad truth, sorry). i can think of TONS of lyrics with meaning behind them, but this is the first you've said anything about political or social meaning. even so, plenty of metal bands with political lyrics, which is a pretty broad description of lyrical content.
Yeah I can see that. I've often wondered if he played it the same every time. It always seemed that the live footage was always a little different. Then again I've heard a number of Jealous Again covers that sounded right on.joseph wrote:its more of the absolute have to play songs that ruins that idea. and mimicking ginn is damn near impossible no matter what album. hes kinda the guitar equivalent to H.R. s singing sounds easier than it isDaVo wrote:I think if you stuck to just the first 4 years it wouldn't be a problem.joseph wrote:this has been discussed for the last 6 months in a very serious manner. its also been agonizing thinking of playing ginns parts. if it happens itll be called BLACK COFFEE
Alice Cooper never had ANY satanistic ... leaningsDaVo wrote:You can read into the satan image as some kind of anti-establishment stand but the fact is too often it was an attempt to selling the cartoon Alice Cooper satanist to sell records and shock parents.
do you not know any metalheads? metal bands lyrics are like scripture to the fans.Maybe I should have focused on the effect of the metal scene on their fans. Fact is that Megadeaths anti-war songs had little or no effect on their fan base. Just like Rage Against the Machine(though I really wouldn't call them metal) didn't cause their listeners to suddenly give a shit about Mexican human rights or AIM. Unlike most hardcore and punk bands effected their fan base.
thats the deal. almost anybody thinks ginn just fakes his way through his own songs. example- slip it in solo in the beginning thats just weird and fucked up. every bootleg/live recording ive heard its the exact fucking notes and bends. his timing is flawless. he might be the most underrated "hardcore" "punk" musician.DaVo wrote:Yeah I can see that. I've often wondered if he played it the same every time. It always seemed that the live footage was always a little different. Then again I've heard a number of Jealous Again covers that sounded right on.
Maybe the Circle Jerks would be easier and they were always kind of like the clone of Black Flag.
why else do you think im in the netherlands?DARKBASS wrote:say someone can only get off after they have done a line of blow off of a dead hooker........
I was saying a cartoon of Alice Cooper. Sorry if it came across as I was calling him a satanist. Though you have to admit he was kind of the prototype.joseph wrote:Alice Cooper never had ANY satanistic ... leaningsDaVo wrote:You can read into the satan image as some kind of anti-establishment stand but the fact is too often it was an attempt to selling the cartoon Alice Cooper satanist to sell records and shock parents.
do you not know any metalheads? metal bands lyrics are like scripture to the fans.Maybe I should have focused on the effect of the metal scene on their fans. Fact is that Megadeaths anti-war songs had little or no effect on their fan base. Just like Rage Against the Machine(though I really wouldn't call them metal) didn't cause their listeners to suddenly give a shit about Mexican human rights or AIM. Unlike most hardcore and punk bands effected their fan base.
It has been a while but there are some differences between the versions on Everything Went Black and the decline versions. It could have been equipment but they don't sound the same. I could be wrong. The only thing I need to point out here is that Black Flag practice 30 to 40 hours a week and I'm sure he could play those songs in his sleep.joseph wrote:thats the deal. almost anybody thinks ginn just fakes his way through his own songs. example- slip it in solo in the beginning thats just weird and fucked up. every bootleg/live recording ive heard its the exact fucking notes and bends. his timing is flawless. he might be the most underrated "hardcore" "punk" musician.DaVo wrote:Yeah I can see that. I've often wondered if he played it the same every time. It always seemed that the live footage was always a little different. Then again I've heard a number of Jealous Again covers that sounded right on.
Maybe the Circle Jerks would be easier and they were always kind of like the clone of Black Flag.
Oh- i fucking hate the circle jerks. much rather listen to blast! or young ginns for a wanna be Black Flag
If you like Rollins listen to Nick Cave, Birthday Party and read some Falkner and Bukowski, cause that is where who he ripped off. Dez period of Black Flag is still and always be when they were at their best. Just listen to the No More version on Everything Went Black and then listen to the version on Damage.DARKBASS wrote:oh yeah, and I like Rollins black flag better........and I respect the hell out of the man.
(I am already braced for the verbal blows about to be received)
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Get it right,terminate them
The panzers will,permeate them
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Epidemic,devastate them
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D-day,next stop normandie
Beginning of the end
We know how to and sure as shit well win
War is peace sure man
A retreat for the damned
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Love and war they say all is fair
Take his life
But wont take his hair
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Country can spare
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Your wheelchair
He once had to be all he could be
Now hes nothing for no one nowhere to see
Funny thing,hes like you & me
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No one spoke no one even dared
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Ask what your country can do for you
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