Independent Iowa Music Discussion for e-Scenesters
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im not kidding. im nice for the most part.storkus wrote:I don't know Joseph, but I'm pretty sure he's joking.
Well, I thought voting for him was a better vote than for Kerry. I wasn't impressed with Kerry. I guess I can't recall my entire thought process for why I voted that way to be honest.storkus wrote:I don't know Joseph, but I'm pretty sure he's joking. That aside, I know you did, and I have to wonder what people who voted for him are feeling in 2008. If there is no remorse for this nationally shared mistake, then American democracy can be fully appreciated as a failure.
I know you're kidding, but I'm actually curious what Bush supporters or former-supporters are thinking these days.
im lost. i was gonna dissect but.... its not the Presidents job to tell congress what to do. blaming a president for economic policies is weird. he doesnt make the policy his advisors advise and write it and the fed take it under advisement and change things like the interest rate...storkus wrote:What, exactly, disappoints you about congress? There seems to be a pretty wide-ringing chorus of scorn for them, but not a lot of people are willing to justify it. My sense is that it's easier to place blame on them due to their "otherness", and that it's far less confrontational to say you disagree with hundreds of individuals, than to hold one asshole's feet to the flames.
That said, I also think there are a lot of scumbags in congress, but that we're making a lot of progress.
Creating substantial progressive majorities in the house and senate is crucial in preventing situations like the real estate bust (we wouldn't be in this mess if we'd had a majority to regulate the lending market), unsafe and illogical wars (we wouldn't be in this mess if we'd had a majority that could've defeated the political pressure and emotional propaganda following 9/11), and GLOBAL WARMING (which is real, but preventable with leaders who are willing to force reform in polluting industries, and fund the development of sustainable energy and the infrastructure it requires), and a whole swath of other issues that have been perverted and bungled throughout the aught years.
And, yet, George Bush could have used the last 8 years to push congress to do any of those things, and instead he wasted our time on bizarre social issues that didn't accomplish anything but distract and divide the country, and fumbled two wars that are now boiling out of control (expect to hear a lot more about Afghanistan in the months ahead), and are likely to lead to massively destabilizing consequences worldwide.
People need to recognize this as the mistake that it was in order to avoid repeating it.
storkus wrote:If you feel that the same people are pulling the strings regardless of who we elect, that's a totally different discussion. What you're really saying here is not "Benefit of blaming people who voted for him = zero", but instead "Benefit of voting = zero". That's a totally valid point of view, but not one that really fits into the context of this thread, which presupposes the concept of your vote being for a person, party, and set of principles.Crumpty Williams wrote:the problems in this world have roots a lot deeper than the silly political divide that keeps so many of us occupied.... W is a puppet. Regardless of who/which puppet is shown to the public as being in "power", the same forces are pulling the strings behind the scenes.
Benefit of blaming people who voted for him = zero.
storkus wrote:If you feel that the same people are pulling the strings regardless of who we elect, that's a totally different discussion. What you're really saying here is not "Benefit of blaming people who voted for him = zero", but instead "Benefit of voting = zero". That's a totally valid point of view, but not one that really fits into the context of this thread, which presupposes the concept of your vote being for a person, party, and set of principles.Crumpty Williams wrote:the problems in this world have roots a lot deeper than the silly political divide that keeps so many of us occupied.... W is a puppet. Regardless of who/which puppet is shown to the public as being in "power", the same forces are pulling the strings behind the scenes.
Benefit of blaming people who voted for him = zero.
same here.hairy wrote:I voted for him twice.
storkus wrote:Uhh, the reason that we're in this mess is because banks were allowed to lend money to individuals who couldn't afford to pay it back, under ridiculous and unrealistic terms. He, and the republican congress could've controlled it by regulating the market during the stupid and obvious bubble during the first of his two terms, instead of encouraging it and, along with Alan Greenspan, prolonging the inevitable burst until after the 2004 elections, making it that much more damaging.joseph wrote:blaming a president for economic policies is weird. he doesnt make the policy his advisors advise and write it and the fed take it under advisement and change things like the interest rate...
Yes, it's their fault.
Exactly. That's the beauty of life!El Rhino wrote:....and on the flip side, many of us don't understand why you think the way you do either.
fucking genius, jackfuck.Varg wrote:storkus wrote:Uhh, the reason that we're in this mess is because banks were allowed to lend money to individuals who couldn't afford to pay it back, under ridiculous and unrealistic terms. He, and the republican congress could've controlled it by regulating the market during the stupid and obvious bubble during the first of his two terms, instead of encouraging it and, along with Alan Greenspan, prolonging the inevitable burst until after the 2004 elections, making it that much more damaging.joseph wrote:blaming a president for economic policies is weird. he doesnt make the policy his advisors advise and write it and the fed take it under advisement and change things like the interest rate...
Yes, it's their fault.
We should invade their countries, kill their leaders, and convert them to christianity.
im in no mess.storkus wrote:Uhh, the reason that we're in this mess is because banks were allowed to lend money to individuals who couldn't afford to pay it back, under ridiculous and unrealistic terms. He, and the republican congress could've controlled it by regulating the market during the stupid and obvious bubble during the first of his two terms, instead of encouraging it and, along with Alan Greenspan, prolonging the inevitable burst until after the 2004 elections, making it that much more damaging.joseph wrote:blaming a president for economic policies is weird. he doesnt make the policy his advisors advise and write it and the fed take it under advisement and change things like the interest rate...
Yes, it's their fault.
joseph wrote:the fault lies with the idiot that asked and took a loan that they knew they couldnt repay.
thanks for your agreement.robdigi wrote:joseph wrote:the fault lies with the idiot that asked and took a loan that they knew they couldnt repay.
yes. the housing finance crisis is due to people who were stupid enough to actually TRUST the established financial institutions who were handing out the money and were generally regarded as experts in their business. idiots!