Anyone else huge into this?
I can't get enough of the teleconferences and the nasa website. When the Phoenix mission hasn't been updated, there's tons of other stuff to check out there.
Telecon at 1:00pm Central Standard today.
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Re: Mars Phoenix Lander
wasn't this originally supposed to go to one of the polar caps to look for water?
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It is at the polar cap looking for ice. They think that they might of found some yesterday...
http://scitech.blogs.cnn.com/2008/06/20 ... the-rocks/
http://scitech.blogs.cnn.com/2008/06/20 ... the-rocks/
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Yeah, that's what it's doing right now. There appears to be a solid sheet of ice about 5cm under the martian soil on the norther pole. They know it's ice because some of the chunks that came out of the scoop onto the ground disappeared or "sublimated" the next day. They've got a light microscope, a nuclear force microscope, 8 gas spectrometers (each is a single use), and 4 wet chemistry analyzers (single use). All sorts of cameras, a laser weather thing, and most importantly a robotic arm scoop that can dig about a foot and a half deep (22cm).
Things are going well on the northern pole, first sample is in the TEGA (gas spectrometer) and is being analyzed, and a soil sample has been delivered to the microscope facility, with the most detailed images of martian soil ever, and that's only with the light microscope.
Things are going well on the northern pole, first sample is in the TEGA (gas spectrometer) and is being analyzed, and a soil sample has been delivered to the microscope facility, with the most detailed images of martian soil ever, and that's only with the light microscope.
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Now I'm excited actually. I wasn't aware of all this.Hank Fist wrote:Yeah, that's what it's doing right now. There appears to be a solid sheet of ice about 5cm under the martian soil on the norther pole. They know it's ice because some of the chunks that came out of the scoop onto the ground disappeared or "sublimated" the next day. They've got a light microscope, a nuclear force microscope, 8 gas spectrometers (each is a single use), and 4 wet chemistry analyzers (single use). All sorts of cameras, a laser weather thing, and most importantly a robotic arm scoop that can dig about a foot and a half deep (22cm).
Things are going well on the northern pole, first sample is in the TEGA (gas spectrometer) and is being analyzed, and a soil sample has been delivered to the microscope facility, with the most detailed images of martian soil ever, and that's only with the light microscope.
Seriously
Re: Mars Phoenix Lander
http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/phoen ... index.html
there is also a University of Phoenix website, but it's pretty much the same info. there is a link to it at NASA.
there is also a University of Phoenix website, but it's pretty much the same info. there is a link to it at NASA.
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i fucking rule.
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Soil tests reveal the soil to be a little basic, and with plenty of nutrients. With some organic fertilzer, basic soil loving plants could easily grow in it.
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terraform that bitch.
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So, this mission has met all of it's goals and then some. Water in the form of ice has been discovered and analyzed, the soil has been analyzed at multiple depths using all the wet chemistry cells, the mass spectrometers, and the atomic force microscope. A dust devil has been spotted with the camera, frost is starting to appear in the mornings, and the other night they detected some snow. A lot of data is still coming in and being analyzed here on earth. As the days get shorter the mars lander will no longer be able to produce enough power for it's systems, and it will get terribly cold. Hopefully we get to see some snow on the ground before it enters eternal sleep. I'd like to see them try to power it up next spring, though.
RIP Mars Lander and Paul The Hustler Newman
RIP Mars Lander and Paul The Hustler Newman
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Re: Mars Phoenix Lander
Toadally.
You know they're gonna give it a shot. Isn't it in a location though where it will be covered by ice growth during the winter? If that doesn't kill it, the boards will likely be cracked by the temps below -150F.
It would be incredible if it comes back online next spring.
You know they're gonna give it a shot. Isn't it in a location though where it will be covered by ice growth during the winter? If that doesn't kill it, the boards will likely be cracked by the temps below -150F.
It would be incredible if it comes back online next spring.
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good point on the solar panels cracking, beedle bronx, although solar panels survive the much more inhospitable outer space fairly easily (but they are usually in constant contact with the sun i guess?).
Data results are finally coming in, read the full report in july's Science:
Favorable chemistry and episodes with thin films of liquid water during ongoing, long-term climate cycles may sometimes make the area where NASA's Phoenix Mars mission landed last year a favorable environment for microbes.
Interpretations of data that Phoenix returned during its five months of operation on a Martian arctic plain fill four papers in this week's edition of the journal Science, the first major peer-reviewed reports on the mission's findings. Phoenix ended communications in November 2008 as the approach of Martian winter depleted energy from the lander's solar panels.
"Not only did we find water ice, as expected, but the soil chemistry and minerals we observed lead us to believe this site had a wetter and warmer climate in the recent past -- the last few million years -- and could again in the future," said Phoenix Principal Investigator Peter Smith of the University of Arizona, Tucson.
A paper about Phoenix water studies, for which Smith is the lead author with 36 coauthors from six nations, cites clues supporting an interpretation that the soil has had films of liquid water in the recent past. The evidence for water and potential nutrients "implies that this region could have previously met the criteria for habitability" during portions of continuing climate cycles, these authors conclude.
The mission's biggest surprise was finding a multi-talented chemical named perchlorate in the Martian soil. This Phoenix finding caps a growing emphasis on the planet's chemistry, said Michael Hecht of NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif., who has 10 coauthors on a paper about Phoenix's soluble-chemistry findings.
"The study of Mars is in transition from a follow-the-water stage to a follow-the-chemistry stage," Hecht said. "With perchlorate, for example, we see links to atmospheric humidity, soil moisture, a possible energy source for microbes, even a possible resource for humans."
Perchlorate, which strongly attracts water, makes up a few tenths of a percent of the composition in all three soil samples analyzed by Phoenix's wet chemistry laboratory. It could pull humidity from the Martian air. At higher concentrations, it might combine with water as a brine that stays liquid at Martian surface temperatures. Some microbes on Earth use perchlorate as food. Human explorers might find it useful as rocket fuel or for generating oxygen.
Another surprise from Phoenix was finding ice clouds and precipitation more Earth-like than anticipated. The lander's Canadian laser instrument for studying the atmosphere detected snow falling from clouds. In one of this week's reports, Jim Whiteway of York University, Toronto, and 22 coauthors say that, further into winter than Phoenix operated, this precipitation would result in a seasonal buildup of water ice on and in the ground.
"Before Phoenix we did not know whether precipitation occurs on Mars," Whiteway said. "We knew that the polar ice cap advances as far south as the Phoenix site in winter, but we did not know how the water vapor moved from the atmosphere to ice on the ground. Now we know that it does snow, and that this is part of the hydrological cycle on Mars."
Evidence that water ice in the area sometimes thaws enough to moisten the soil comes from finding calcium carbonate in soil heated in the lander's analytic ovens or mixed with acid in the wet chemistry laboratory. The University of Arizona's William Boynton and 13 coauthors report that the amount of calcium carbonate "is most consistent with formation in the past by the interaction of atmospheric carbon dioxide with liquid films of water on particle surfaces."
The new reports leave unsettled whether soil samples scooped up by Phoenix contained any carbon-based organic compounds. The perchlorate could have broken down simple organic compounds during heating of soil samples in the ovens, preventing clear detection.
The heating in ovens did not drive off any water vapor at temperatures lower than 295 degrees Celsius (563 degrees Fahrenheit), indicating the soil held no water adhering to soil particles. Climate cycles resulting from changes in the tilt and orbit of Mars on scales of hundreds of thousands of years or more could explain why effects of moist soil are present.
Data results are finally coming in, read the full report in july's Science:
Favorable chemistry and episodes with thin films of liquid water during ongoing, long-term climate cycles may sometimes make the area where NASA's Phoenix Mars mission landed last year a favorable environment for microbes.
Interpretations of data that Phoenix returned during its five months of operation on a Martian arctic plain fill four papers in this week's edition of the journal Science, the first major peer-reviewed reports on the mission's findings. Phoenix ended communications in November 2008 as the approach of Martian winter depleted energy from the lander's solar panels.
"Not only did we find water ice, as expected, but the soil chemistry and minerals we observed lead us to believe this site had a wetter and warmer climate in the recent past -- the last few million years -- and could again in the future," said Phoenix Principal Investigator Peter Smith of the University of Arizona, Tucson.
A paper about Phoenix water studies, for which Smith is the lead author with 36 coauthors from six nations, cites clues supporting an interpretation that the soil has had films of liquid water in the recent past. The evidence for water and potential nutrients "implies that this region could have previously met the criteria for habitability" during portions of continuing climate cycles, these authors conclude.
The mission's biggest surprise was finding a multi-talented chemical named perchlorate in the Martian soil. This Phoenix finding caps a growing emphasis on the planet's chemistry, said Michael Hecht of NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif., who has 10 coauthors on a paper about Phoenix's soluble-chemistry findings.
"The study of Mars is in transition from a follow-the-water stage to a follow-the-chemistry stage," Hecht said. "With perchlorate, for example, we see links to atmospheric humidity, soil moisture, a possible energy source for microbes, even a possible resource for humans."
Perchlorate, which strongly attracts water, makes up a few tenths of a percent of the composition in all three soil samples analyzed by Phoenix's wet chemistry laboratory. It could pull humidity from the Martian air. At higher concentrations, it might combine with water as a brine that stays liquid at Martian surface temperatures. Some microbes on Earth use perchlorate as food. Human explorers might find it useful as rocket fuel or for generating oxygen.
Another surprise from Phoenix was finding ice clouds and precipitation more Earth-like than anticipated. The lander's Canadian laser instrument for studying the atmosphere detected snow falling from clouds. In one of this week's reports, Jim Whiteway of York University, Toronto, and 22 coauthors say that, further into winter than Phoenix operated, this precipitation would result in a seasonal buildup of water ice on and in the ground.
"Before Phoenix we did not know whether precipitation occurs on Mars," Whiteway said. "We knew that the polar ice cap advances as far south as the Phoenix site in winter, but we did not know how the water vapor moved from the atmosphere to ice on the ground. Now we know that it does snow, and that this is part of the hydrological cycle on Mars."
Evidence that water ice in the area sometimes thaws enough to moisten the soil comes from finding calcium carbonate in soil heated in the lander's analytic ovens or mixed with acid in the wet chemistry laboratory. The University of Arizona's William Boynton and 13 coauthors report that the amount of calcium carbonate "is most consistent with formation in the past by the interaction of atmospheric carbon dioxide with liquid films of water on particle surfaces."
The new reports leave unsettled whether soil samples scooped up by Phoenix contained any carbon-based organic compounds. The perchlorate could have broken down simple organic compounds during heating of soil samples in the ovens, preventing clear detection.
The heating in ovens did not drive off any water vapor at temperatures lower than 295 degrees Celsius (563 degrees Fahrenheit), indicating the soil held no water adhering to soil particles. Climate cycles resulting from changes in the tilt and orbit of Mars on scales of hundreds of thousands of years or more could explain why effects of moist soil are present.