sweet bee
Posted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 3:20 pm
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Thom wrote:ssssshhhhh
joseph wrote:mmm k
we were in a bit of a financial rut for a while, primarily after the caucus of the future. we are settling that now and will be back and running in the spring. until then, expect there to be social get-togethers and fundraisers leading up to the warm weather.joseph wrote:?
well, i'm sorry we haven't met your needs(though i'm quite sure you've never actually been there, let alone invested any time or energy into it). however, being a let down at least means that there was an attempt, which is far better than doing nothing.bullet tooth wrote:this place was the biggest let down ever.
The fact is, I've never been directly invited to anything that goes on there. I've never been personally welcomed. Every time I have set foot in there everyone just stares at myself and everyone I'm with.ilikehorses wrote: saying shit like that about the infoshop here in the internet isn't going to solve anything. in fact, it's just going to make more problems.
i'm sorry you havent been invited. i'm sure it's just a simple matter of people not calling others, it's nothing personal. and the only time i remember people coming and others staring is during the screening of Behind The Mask, when people came in mid-movie. (i don't even remember if you were in that group, but i assume you were since you mentioned the oreos) and i was one of the people staring, because everyone barged in mid-movie, making a lot of noise and standing between me and the screen.Thom wrote:The fact is, I've never been directly invited to anything that goes on there. I've never been personally welcomed. Every time I have set foot in there everyone just stares at myself and everyone I'm with.ilikehorses wrote: saying shit like that about the infoshop here in the internet isn't going to solve anything. in fact, it's just going to make more problems.
no one's slandered you. no one cares about the oreos. being upset about the oreos was a joke. it was funny. no one thinks poorly of you.If someone can slander me however they choose on baseless accusations based on what they assume from not even knowing me, I think I can say whatever I want. Of course when someone says something fucked up and people call them on it, they are going to backpedal as hard as possible. I didn't steal anyone's oreos. Just to clear the air.
i don't know anything about this. i don't know who has a personal beef and what show was canceled, so i can't really say anything on that specific matter.The fact about shows is that they were forced out of the info shop, after a VERY SUCCESSFUL first show. We made enough money to donate to the infoshop itself, while still being able to pay the touring bands. The fact is there was a show there, and certain parties decided that their personal beef with someone who was involved with one of the bands was great enough to cancel the show. Consequently the haunted basement graciously stepped up and shouldered the responsibility despite the physical damage to the venue (which is more than I could say for the infoshop).
who does that? i've never heard anyone do that. i've never heard anyone say anything bad about you. this is fucking drama and fucking "i heard from so-and-so who heard from so-and-so that you said" bullshit. you should really check who your sources are and realize that theyre not the best to get real information from.I realize that soon, key parties will be saying now that I am a meat head, and I'm sure that everyone in contact with this person will begin telling stories about all the fucked up things I have done.
i have no hard feelings toward you at all. but i think tiny situations and rumors are being blown out of proportion and are counterproductive to having a really good community in des moines. the infoshop is such a good tool for us to have. and i truly believe as spring hits, it can become a great space for everyone to enjoy. but holding grudges over insignificant bullshit isn't going to help anyone.All I'm saying is that it's easy to hide behind your politics, but sooner or later people are going to see what kind of person you really are.
AFTER ALL THAT, I love you ed.
I put a Speed Metal Hell sticker on the door.ilikehorses wrote: and joe, if you got banned, i'm sure you did something to deserve it. i mean, you probably will admit that, am i right?
No prob.andrewd wrote:ooof.
Hey joe,
the Haunted Basement rules. Thanks for doing sweet shows there.
sincerely,
andrew
the question is, to me, did he say it -whatever it was? who told you he said anything? it's a case of drama and rumors. i think you can pull yourself above that kind of shit.Thom wrote:If the infoshop was a significant force in helping the networking of artists/musicians and others in the Des Moines area, I would support it on some level. Unfortunately I haven't seen it.
I guess if it becomes that in the future, I will. That is if I'm allowed to.
On the matter of personal grievances, what was said about me was deeply offensive, and I kindly asked for an apology once. I was denied. Thats all I ask for.
I'm not talking about this anymore. If you want to further know my personal thoughts, and I why I have acted the way I have in certain instances I'm sure you will "catch me out" as yuppie so eloquently put it.
Joe wrote:I think some of us might come up for that 7" release show. It's not concrete yet, but a possibility.
-Joe.
the fact of the matter is that sweet bee is not just for networking musicians and artists...unfortunately it seems as though many people view it as that. The few shows that have happened there so far were quite successful and fun...and i think it would be a good idea to hold shows there in the future for funding the space itself. if your only interested in contributing and helping with sweet bee to do shows then i suppose that you may become frustrated and disappointed, there is far more that goes into contributing and building a scene and community aside from doing shows. We all need to get over our beef with one another and get to know eachother better if we are to work together and make something of des moines, including myself...thats seems to be what the problem has been in this town throughout the years, personal nonsense...if your talking shit about sweet bee, then dont be a apart of it, its that simple. why is there the need to talk shit on it anyways? and why talk shit and then want to show up to events?...its one of the few talked about things in des moines that actually surfaced and came to light. so many more projects could potentially come to life because of the existence of the shop in des moines, its just a matter of the community making it happen and time.Thom wrote:
f the infoshop was a significant force in helping the networking of artists/musicians and others in the Des Moines area, I would support it on some level. Unfortunately I haven't seen it.
I guess if it becomes that in the future, I will. That is if I'm allowed to.
On the matter of personal grievances, what was said about me was deeply offensive, and I kindly asked for an apology once. I was denied. Thats all I ask for.
I'm not talking about this anymore. If you want to further know my personal thoughts, and I why I have acted the way I have in certain instances I'm sure you will "catch me out" as yuppie so eloquently put it.
there is an email list which people can sign up for. you will receive emails and notices whenever an event is held...i try and tell people if there is something going on...there is a calender in the shop that has any events on it so...ive heard of everything by word of mouth for the most part...you have to involve yourself in order to be involvedThom wrote: The fact is, I've never been directly invited to anything that goes on there. I've never been personally welcomed. Every time I have set foot in there everyone just stares at myself and everyone I'm with.
@nonymous wrote:all drama has been settled, hopefully. thom's a good dude, we're all good dudes.
now, pizza party tonight if anyone wants to come(vegan friendly plz). around 6ish. i'll be playing ...And Justice For All Most of the night.
@nonymous wrote:all drama has been settled, hopefully. thom's a good dude, we're all good dudes.
now, pizza party tonight if anyone wants to come(vegan friendly plz). around 6ish. i'll be playing ...And Justice For All Most of the night.
yeah ive been there. as far as investing anything in it, ive offered and no one took me up on it. in fact i believe i pm'd you and offered. so if there was a lack of effort, it certainly wasnt on my part. the only thing i care about thats involved in sweet bee is pertaining to shows. there hasnt been any lately(even though they'd help with your financial problems). thats the let down. i find it kind of weird that you'd be so sure of 2 things that you'd have no idea of anyway and that you have no intention of taking me up on. as far as your intentions on building community or whatever, i havent seen anything anywhere involving any event at the infoshop so if youre trying to get shit done, youre not doing a lot to make it well known. its really whatever to me at this point, i enjoy the haunted basement.@nonymous wrote:we were in a bit of a financial rut for a while, primarily after the caucus of the future. we are settling that now and will be back and running in the spring. until then, expect there to be social get-togethers and fundraisers leading up to the warm weather.joseph wrote:?
shows are still a possibility, though the haunted basement is a great new venue so our priority will likely stay with the infoshop itself.
well, i'm sorry we haven't met your needs(though i'm quite sure you've never actually been there, let alone invested any time or energy into it). however, being a let down at least means that there was an attempt, which is far better than doing nothing.bullet tooth wrote:this place was the biggest let down ever.
this type of space is difficult to get off the ground, no doubt about it. we're going to keep with it and see what the spring/summer brings us.
What a silly post.jjjsXe wrote:@nonymous wrote:all drama has been settled, hopefully. thom's a good dude, we're all good dudes.
now, pizza party tonight if anyone wants to come(vegan friendly plz). around 6ish. i'll be playing ...And Justice For All Most of the night.
does this mean that meat is not allowed in the info shop? why can't it be all versions of food accepted, i hate specifically vegetarian/vegan food, it's gross and it sucks. what am i supposed to eat if it is only vegan friendly? actually i am not/didn't go to this so it is irrelevant. but still, if such an event were to be held again? what then?
TooManyHumyns wrote: there is an email list which people can sign up for. you will receive emails and notices whenever an event is held...i try and tell people if there is something going on...there is a calender in the shop that has any events on it so...ive heard of everything by word of mouth for the most part...you have to involve yourself in order to be involved