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i havent read this entire thread because its not worth it, but did varg ever respond to the link servo posted completely debunking the original premise of this topic?

and, not that i'm surprised, how did we get on the topic of pot? a quick overview plz.....

@nonymous wrote:i havent read this entire thread because its not worth it, but did varg ever respond to the link servo posted completely debunking the original premise of this topic?

Nope. He completely ignored that. Shut him up for a second.

This turned into the dumbest shit, stoked for Zach getting healthy. Also stoked on Ed and Servo proving Varg completely wrong. Suck it.

tylerjames515 wrote:This turned into the dumbest shit, stoked for Zach getting healthy. Also stoked on Ed and Servo proving Varg completely wrong. Suck it.

Yeah, that's not what happened. When the story first appeared on Drudge Report there were two links- one said the initial story had been pulled due to some type of an error (standard journalism) and the second story was fixed but still getting white house pressure. Obama has lied so many times before (uhh, "not negotiating behind closed doors"/CSPAN fiasco ring a bell?? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1PIWWgDG1k) and you turn a blind eye to them wanting this story pulled? Ok. I guess those of you who are middle-class income earners can tell us in a year whether or not this was the case. I won't see it first hand (even though I account for all my income, *scouts honor*).

I'll get to the rest of the horseshit later. Internet was down all night.

Oh my God. Great fucking video and totally relevant:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16h58N4a ... re=related


Coulter owning Loofa O'Reilly.

Varg wrote:

tylerjames515 wrote:This turned into the dumbest shit, stoked for Zach getting healthy. Also stoked on Ed and Servo proving Varg completely wrong. Suck it.

Yeah, that's not what happened.

The 'roids must be depleting your brain. All the shit you retort with to prove your argument has validity got shut down and make you look the close minded fool that you are, now go make some more videos of you playing solos. Stick to what your good at.

Varg wrote:

tylerjames515 wrote:This turned into the dumbest shit, stoked for Zach getting healthy. Also stoked on Ed and Servo proving Varg completely wrong. Suck it.

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People are more interested in things like Bullet Tooth's eating habits and whether or not people who sell booze are drug dealers than they are about your long winded, nonsensical ramblings about Nobama.

Bullet Tooth wrote: i am indeed. i eat well (lots of fruit and veggies, fish, chicken, cut out most of the bad shit i used to eat)

Yesterday I ate nothing but fruit, vegetables, and cereal. This morning I took the most humungous dump I have ever took in my life. I think I lost about 15 lbs this morning.

Varg wrote:Oh my God. Great fucking video and totally relevant:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16h58N4a ... re=related


Coulter owning Loofa O'Reilly.

Seriously, I'm dying over here.

Are you really pulling out the Ann Coulter card? LOL. So now your trying to use the garbage some racist, radical-right wing, ethno-nationalistic neo-fascist is spewing to try and "prove" whatever point it is you are trying to make about "Obamacare?" Give me a fucking break, dude. And here I was giving you some benefit of a doubt saying you only regurgitate whatever Glenn Beck feeds to you. Boy was I wrong. Ann Coulter? Hahahaha....

Get a mind of your own and try and think for yourself sometime.

Ann Coulter has never "owned" anything besides a big Adam's Apple and total disdain from anyone with an ounce of intelligence.

tylerjames515 wrote:
The 'roids must be depleting your brain. All the shit you retort with to prove your argument has validity got shut down and make you look the close minded fool that you are, now go make some more videos of you playing solos. Stick to what your good at.

LOL, were you fucking baked out of your mind when you wrote this?? I seriously laughed. I'll feel bad if you're actually just retarded though

ilikehorses wrote: having a 40ft yacht is a far stretch from having a car or clothes or a phone. yes, some people live far out of their means. but you can't punish them for it when they get run over or get cancer or have a serious illness. yes, they shouldn't get to have free cosmetic surgery, but providing basic health care is (or should be) a right of every person.
beyond that, having kids: you cannot punish kids for having stupid parents. that's a theme around my workplace. just because the parents are idiots, does that mean that their kids shouldn't be seen by a PCP for their cough? or to be seen and treated for sickle cell, pneumonia, sepsis, etc.?? no, of course, IT'S ABOUT RESPONSIBILITY.
denying children healthcare leads to unhealthy lives, unhealthy adults, a larger drain on the healthcare system. denying universal healthcare (or some sort of program) will leave millions of children to suffer and die. but again, RESPONSIBILITY, RIGHT? it's punishment for having stupid (or more likely, POOR) parents.

Just like Bullettooth said- I've never seen a child denied healthcare.

sorry you had to wait 4 months to get your steroid-induced acne looked at. but yes, that's how it should be. people making their own appointments to dermatologists and other specialties means that those specialties are filled with people with contact dermatitis and bed bugs, things that can be treated at home or with a PCP. yes, you should have to see your PCP first, so they can rule out you being an idiot. and really, from working at clinics and now the hospital, i know that you can make your own appointment with a specialists, but you will still wait those four months, unless it's an emergency, which acne is not.

Let's get this straight because I'm sure you've got a few people on here convinced otherwise: you work in the medical industry, but have relatively little knowledge of anatomy/physiology and medicine. Steroids don't cause acne anymore than peanuts cause anaphylactic shock. They do in some cases, but not in all. Just like not everyone goes to a dermatologist for acne reasons. Like in my case it was for hair, back when I was 20. My hair was getting thinner and I thought I was going to go bald, so she looked at my head for two seconds and wrote me a prescription for Propecia. $75 a bottle. Made no mention of Proscar or other generics containing finasteride (oooooh, that's a steroid!) which were about 1/4th the cost. On top of that, I didn't even need it. I took it for about 8 months then stopped and there was no change. Five years later, still have a full head of hair, but actually wish I was bald. This relates to my 'poor quality healthcare' point I made earlier. And relates to your point about that girl not being able to afford her medication. For every drug that has been around at least 7 years (I believe 7 years is the patent limit) there is a much cheaper, generic alternative. I don't know what she was prescribed and neither do you, but it'd be my guess that there was a generic version of at least one of them.
A lot of doctors are shitty that way and prescribe things that you don't even need. (Happened to me at Urgent Care- I didn't go to get it filled and I was fine.) I'm sure you see this first hand all the time...Drug company reps. coming in with tons of free swag and giving it to everyone. There's a serious problem with that industry and I'm not going to go into it because that's another issue...that would take up a lot of time.

side note: i worked at an urgent care clinic for three years. if they only charged you $30 for a visit and labs, they were either being nice or it was covered by a government program. because i know that a culture such as that is at least $125. we had the costs posted all over our work area.

So if it was a government program that covered it (and I'm not saying it was)
then what's the problem that needs to be fixed here? Why does the whole system need to be changed? $30 to get an abscess drained? Sounds like a deal to me.
I'll find the bill, it's laying around here somewhere...

elliot wrote:Pharmaceutical companies run absolutely everything, including politicians, which is why we will never come close to any type of reform, let alone universal healthcare. I'm starting to believe that all debate on this issue is moot as long as that fact prevails. We are basically fucked. Thanks, unchecked capitalism!

That has less to do with capitalism and more to do with government. Coulter touched on one aspect of this in that video I posted.

Pharm companies don't run everything, but they do run politicians and I do believe that's why we'll never see a cure for cancer in our lifetime. There's no money in a cure- only in delaying the inevitable. The government is suppose to protect us from situations like that and Monopolies, but it's much easier to see and prove a monopoly exist than it is to prove the other.

ive been to urgent cares several times. ive always got substandard care. if thats what we're going to get if we go to universal health care, i hope we never get it.

Everybody I've talked to from Canada, where they have free healthcare, says they'd rather pay and get good care.

Varg wrote: Just like Bullettooth said- I've never seen a child denied healthcare.

weird, because I HAVE. without going into too many details, a child who was born with a very serious heart condition was denied by multiple doctors to be seen for infection control, due to title IX, as they had seen their limit of title IX patients for the month (or whatever the time restraint). true fucking story.

Let's get this straight because I'm sure you've got a few people on here convinced otherwise: you work in the medical industry, but have relatively little knowledge of anatomy/physiology and medicine. Steroids don't cause acne anymore than peanuts cause anaphylactic shock. They do in some cases, but not in all. Just like not everyone goes to a dermatologist for acne reasons. Like in my case it was for hair, back when I was 20. My hair was getting thinner and I thought I was going to go bald, so she looked at my head for two seconds and wrote me a prescription for Propecia. $75 a bottle. Made no mention of Proscar or other generics containing finasteride (oooooh, that's a steroid!) which were about 1/4th the cost. On top of that, I didn't even need it. I took it for about 8 months then stopped and there was no change. Five years later, still have a full head of hair, but actually wish I was bald.

1, learn to take a joke. 2, a side effect of steroid use is acne. oh, and hair loss.

This relates to my 'poor quality healthcare' point I made earlier. And relates to your point about that girl not being able to afford her medication. For every drug that has been around at least 7 years (I believe 7 years is the patent limit) there is a much cheaper, generic alternative. I don't know what she was prescribed and neither do you, but it'd be my guess that there was a generic version of at least one of them.

that's not my story.

A lot of doctors are shitty that way and prescribe things that you don't even need. (Happened to me at Urgent Care- I didn't go to get it filled and I was fine.) I'm sure you see this first hand all the time...Drug company reps. coming in with tons of free swag and giving it to everyone. There's a serious problem with that industry and I'm not going to go into it because that's another issue...that would take up a lot of time.

drug reps are all but obsolete now that new legislation has been put in place. they no longer hang out at the clinics, giving away things. but i agree, drug reps were horrible, minus free dinners. the whole pharmaceutical industry is fucked up.
and urgent care doctors tend to prescribe medications more liberally because they don't know the patients as well and patients are dicks. you have a few dozen patients yell that they NEED an antibiotic and you eventually stop arguing back and just start writing harmless prescriptions. it's sad but true.


but you missed a lot of my points. or just skipped them conveniently.

Bullet Tooth wrote:ive been to urgent cares several times. ive always got substandard care. if thats what we're going to get if we go to universal health care, i hope we never get it.

i hightly recommend Mercy West urgent care. the doctors there are amazing. but a lot of urgent cares are really in-and-out, fast food healthcare.
the idea, at least as i understand it and the things i have read about it, is with a universal healthcare system, people would be able to see a primary physician more often than having to settle on ER or walk in clinics, where often they cannot be denied. i think allowing poor individuals and families to afford primary visits as those who are insured will promote health among that group of people.

Big Fat Retard wrote:Everybody I've talked to from Canada, where they have free healthcare, says they'd rather pay and get good care.

HEY EVERYBODY, JRS KNOWS A LOT OF CANADIANS.

Yeaaaaah, so.... JRS is no longer enjoyable.

-Joe.

Joe wrote:Yeaaaaah, so.... JRS is no longer enjoyable.

-Joe.

Define irony.

moltar wrote: Define irony.

Define stuck in a rut.

-Joe.

ilikehorses wrote:

Big Fat Retard wrote:Everybody I've talked to from Canada, where they have free healthcare, says they'd rather pay and get good care.

HEY EVERYBODY, JRS KNOWS A LOT OF CANADIANS.

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I worked in a walk in clinic for 5 years. Probably had contact with about a dozen Canadians. You know my stupid ass couldn't help asking them what they thought about their national healthcare system. Not one of them I talked to had good things to say about it.

Joe wrote:

moltar wrote: Define irony.

Define stuck in a rut.

-Joe.

Back at ya.

I hate health care. What a boring subject.

El Rhino wrote:I hate health care. What a boring subject.

I agree. Can we get back to the drugs?

El Rhino wrote:I hate health care. What a boring subject.

i concur. not to mention its hard to listen to people who hate the goverment talk about things like socialism wich is just, in effect, more power for the goverment

Attn Nam. You're shitty minority, and noone cares what you think.

Attn Joey Chaos: You're an idiot. No one cares what you think.

In before "I'm gonna come to Des Moines and kick yer ass hur hur hur."

Varg wrote: I took it for about 8 months then stopped and there was no change. Five years later, still have a full head of hair, but actually wish I was bald.

uh why?