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jesse p wrote:DaVo reminds me of some teenage nu metal kid. "Man we totally poured peer on this straight edge kid! He was so pissed!" If you can't respect someone's choice to be straight edge (And I don't mean "Man they have so much integrity respect" either) I'm not surprised you don't get respect back. Though I'm sure you're used to not having people respect you.

So many good straight edge bands in the 80s and the 90s. How the fuck can you say Youth of Today played rehashed material, they fucking revitalized the whole straight edge movement on the East Coast. Though I'm sure they care what some turd from Iowa has to say. No one here is impressed that you're an old dipshit.

robdigi wrote:Yeah ok. Let me break it down for your reactionary asses. My point is that loud and fast AND slow and simple are both exciting in different ways and that pointing out that I listen to one particular band that is generally mellow has no bearing on my ability to criticize music that isn't. I listen to all kinds of shit (hardcore included) so you can't point out one single band in a misguided attempt to discredit my judgement and expect to make any sense.

I came to the conclusion that you are being juvenile -specifically- because you decided to criticize Yo La Tengo, who could only be considered boring if you have no tolerance for subtlety, diversity, or creativity. It has nothing to do with your age or maturity level (which I don't know, considering this is the first thread I've ever noticed you posting in) and everything to do with your obviously simple and narrow view of what is good music. If you think they are so boring for reasons other than some of their songs having a relatively slow BPM, prove me wrong and elaborate.

But... that's not what this thread is about. It's about how "straightedge" is a boring subject to write music about, and is only relevant within a small and increasingly incestuous music scene. It's like Christian (or any other religious) music. You can believe what you want but that doesn't mean I'm not going to be bored to tears by songs written about those beliefs, especially as a genre.

robdigi wrote:But... that's not what this thread is about. It's about how "straightedge" is a boring subject to write music about, and is only relevant within a small and increasingly incestuous music scene. It's like Christian (or any other religious) music. You can believe what you want but that doesn't mean I'm not going to be bored to tears by songs written about those beliefs, especially as a genre.

jesse p wrote:

robdigi wrote:Yeah ok. Let me break it down for your reactionary asses. My point is that loud and fast AND slow and simple are both exciting in different ways and that pointing out that I listen to one particular band that is generally mellow has no bearing on my ability to criticize music that isn't. I listen to all kinds of shit (hardcore included) so you can't point out one single band in a misguided attempt to discredit my judgement and expect to make any sense.

I came to the conclusion that you are being juvenile -specifically- because you decided to criticize Yo La Tengo, who could only be considered boring if you have no tolerance for subtlety, diversity, or creativity. It has nothing to do with your age or maturity level (which I don't know, considering this is the first thread I've ever noticed you posting in) and everything to do with your obviously simple and narrow view of what is good music. If you think they are so boring for reasons other than some of their songs having a relatively slow BPM, prove me wrong and elaborate.

But... that's not what this thread is about. It's about how "straightedge" is a boring subject to write music about, and is only relevant within a small and increasingly incestuous music scene. It's like Christian (or any other religious) music. You can believe what you want but that doesn't mean I'm not going to be bored to tears by songs written about those beliefs, especially as a genre.

Yeah I actually registered so I could just post in this thread. You caught me.

You are making assumptions about me as well because I like hardcore. Stating that just because I don't like Yo La Tengo I don't like diverse music is idiotic and "juvenile" as well.

Davo I know people who were around in the 80s and 90s as well and they certainly don't think they're special because of it. I am getting the impression that you think others simply don't "know whats up" like you do. No one is impressed either way.

When you were bragging about spitting beer on Choke is where I felt that you clearly don't respect straight edge. Why would you waste beer like that anyways, that's fucking ridiculous.

jesse p wrote: Yeah I actually registered so I could just post in this thread. You caught me.

You are making assumptions about me as well because I like hardcore. Stating that just because I don't like Yo La Tengo I don't like diverse music is idiotic and "juvenile" as well.

DaVo wrote:

jesse p wrote:

robdigi wrote:Yeah ok. Let me break it down for your reactionary asses. My point is that loud and fast AND slow and simple are both exciting in different ways and that pointing out that I listen to one particular band that is generally mellow has no bearing on my ability to criticize music that isn't. I listen to all kinds of shit (hardcore included) so you can't point out one single band in a misguided attempt to discredit my judgement and expect to make any sense.

I came to the conclusion that you are being juvenile -specifically- because you decided to criticize Yo La Tengo, who could only be considered boring if you have no tolerance for subtlety, diversity, or creativity. It has nothing to do with your age or maturity level (which I don't know, considering this is the first thread I've ever noticed you posting in) and everything to do with your obviously simple and narrow view of what is good music. If you think they are so boring for reasons other than some of their songs having a relatively slow BPM, prove me wrong and elaborate.

But... that's not what this thread is about. It's about how "straightedge" is a boring subject to write music about, and is only relevant within a small and increasingly incestuous music scene. It's like Christian (or any other religious) music. You can believe what you want but that doesn't mean I'm not going to be bored to tears by songs written about those beliefs, especially as a genre.

Yeah I actually registered so I could just post in this thread. You caught me.

You are making assumptions about me as well because I like hardcore. Stating that just because I don't like Yo La Tengo I don't like diverse music is idiotic and "juvenile" as well.

Davo I know people who were around in the 80s and 90s as well and they certainly don't think they're special because of it. I am getting the impression that you think others simply don't "know whats up" like you do. No one is impressed either way.

When you were bragging about spitting beer on Choke is where I felt that you clearly don't respect straight edge. Why would you waste beer like that anyways, that's fucking ridiculous.

First off I didn't say I was. I said others were. Also this is after he had gone into preached about besting down drunks and junkies. This whole elitist better than you bullshit.

I the main reason to bring up that I was around when this was happening is to express that I have first hand knowledge of that period. In other words I was there, I was involved. Maybe not in NYC but here.

The truth is that the sound of most of those NYHC bands may have had more to do with the fact that the hardcore scene in NYC came much later then it did in DC, Boston, LA, Chicago and etc... Other then the Bad Brains and AF there really weren't a number of bands calling NYC their home in the early stages of Hardcore and Straight Edge. In fact NYC was dead for the most part of the early 80s. That said there were some great bands that came from that period but they weren't trend setters.

DaVo wrote:

First off I didn't say I was. I said others were. Also this is after he had gone into preached about besting down drunks and junkies. This whole elitist better than you bullshit.

jjjsXe wrote:

DaVo wrote:

First off I didn't say I was. I said others were. Also this is after he had gone into preached about besting down drunks and junkies. This whole elitist better than you bullshit.

i am better than any junky anywhere, that isn't being elitist, it is just true.

tylerjames515 wrote:yo...carry on rules by the way..

@nonymous wrote:

robdigi wrote:But... that's not what this thread is about. It's about how "straightedge" is a boring subject to write music about, and is only relevant within a small and increasingly incestuous music scene. It's like Christian (or any other religious) music. You can believe what you want but that doesn't mean I'm not going to be bored to tears by songs written about those beliefs, especially as a genre.

there is plenty of diversity within the straight-edge "genre", lyrically speaking. if it's the music you have a problem with, that's understandable. otherwise, sxe bands exist(ed) for the same reasons that most punk bands exist: to find alternative outlets for creative expression--one that is conducive to self-sufficient, anti-authoritarian lifestyles.

so your assessment that sxe is a "boring" subject to write about doesn't fare well with the reality that, though the members share a common ideal, the lyrical content reflects a whole host of ideologies and issues not limited to a substance-free model of living. the same goes for bands from all genres of the diy punk community back in the 80's, and today.

musically i'm with you. there are few hardcore bands that really move me, but that has nothing to do with whether or not they're sxe.

jesse p wrote:
Three of the best hardcore bands were from that era in NYC. The Abused, Antidote, and Cro-Mags. I'm going to throw in Crumbsuckers too, even tho they were from '86.

However, this is like beating a dead horse. There is no point in continuing to argue over musical opinion.

Bullet Tooth wrote:

jjjsXe wrote:

DaVo wrote:

First off I didn't say I was. I said others were. Also this is after he had gone into preached about besting down drunks and junkies. This whole elitist better than you bullshit.

i am better than any junky anywhere, that isn't being elitist, it is just true.

truth.

besides, should davo really be talking about elitist better than you anything? thats all he does.

DaVo wrote: Ok here's a question, when does expressing you opinion end and being an elitist begin?
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Big Fat Retard wrote:

El Rhino wrote:

DaVo wrote: Ok here's a question, when does expressing you opinion end and being an elitist begin?
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I've known you for a long time, I know how you are and I know you're a good dude, but I think that maybe when you post stuff like "fact is..." and "the truth is..." about things that are pretty much subjective it comes off the wrong way.

DaVo wrote:

jesse p wrote:
Three of the best hardcore bands were from that era in NYC. The Abused, Antidote, and Cro-Mags. I'm going to throw in Crumbsuckers too, even tho they were from '86.

However, this is like beating a dead horse. There is no point in continuing to argue over musical opinion.

Never really cared for the Abused maybe I've never heard enough, I really don't think I've ever heard Antidote but the Cro-Mags The Age of Quarrel was somethimg I listened to for sometime. However Age of Quarrel didn't come out until 86 and really it gets a little old abotu 3 or 4 songs in. The Abused didn't release anything other than their Demo and was on a few comps. So really didn't make it out of NYC.

inx515xhell wrote:he was edge?
i knew he used to get shit when on tour with the misfits for not fucking mad bitches.

Joe wrote:BOOOOOOORING.

-Joe.

Joe wrote:I would neither die nor kill for straight edge.

-Joe.

Walking Thunder wrote:If a kid has to use an inhaler to control his asthma can he be edge?

Is caffeine edge?

Just wondering how strict people view edge.

Walking Thunder wrote: Is caffeine edge?

Just wondering how strict people view edge.