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El Rhino wrote:

ilikehorses wrote: the main problem i've seen is that they don't research what does should and shouldn't eat. i've seen people give semi-poisonous (is there such a thing?) things to their dogs as treats.

I think part of the problem is that there are some vegans/vegetarians who automatically assume that vegan/vegetarian automatically means healthier, period. I believe you and I briefly discussed this.

***Before I go any further, I'm not anti-vegan by any means, I'm actually anti-anti-vegan. If someone wants to be a vegan, good for them, seriously. Spare me your "ALL MEAT EATERS HAVE GOOD DIETS " posts. ****

I think it's kind of cruel to deprive an animal in your care/captivity access to the nutrients they need. Sure, you can live off McDonald's, Doritos, Hot Pockets and Mt. Dew (or on the veg side, soy chik'n nuggets, frozen bean burritos and potato chips) but that's a personal choice you make and you have the ability to come across decent food. There's not much the dog can do about it.

If you are able to provide enough nutritional and appetizing food to your dog through vegetarian means, cool. If you're feeding him your leftover Oriental flavor ramen noodles, you're gay. On the flip side, if your dog exists on frozen pizza and Pop Tarts or some shit, you're gay too.

I feed my dog this brand of frozen food that's 95% raw meat (lamb, sometimes chicken) and 5% vegetables. After it's thawed, he gets 1/4 pound a meal along with a handful of thawed frozen green beans. He loves it. Whenever we have to feed him canned or dry food he gets pissy, even if it's the good shit.

ilikehorses wrote: i've heard about people trying to raise their cats vegan and how unhealthy the cat becomes.

Hank Fist wrote:

ilikehorses wrote: i've heard about people trying to raise their cats vegan and how unhealthy the cat becomes.

yeah, retarded. Like that couple that tried to make their newborn vegan. They gave it juice. It died. They were not smart. But anyways, Humans aren't meant to be vegan. sorry.

@nonymous wrote:but nowadays with dioxins and other chemicals in meat and dairy products that cause cancer and whatever else, we can't trust what we eat.

bullet tooth wrote:its all opinion.

Dioxins and furans are some of the most toxic chemicals known to science.

The best way to avoid dioxin exposure is to reduce or eliminate your consumption of meat and dairy products by adopting a vegan diet. According to a May 2001 study of dioxin in foods, "The category with the lowest [dioxin] level was a simulated vegan diet, with 0.09 ppt.... Blood dioxin levels in pure vegans have also been found to be very low in comparison with the general population, indicating a lower contribution of these foods to human dioxin body burden.

@nonymous wrote:

bullet tooth wrote:its all opinion.

actually, it's not. there are actual facts out there, insofar as you believe it is possible to prove such a thing--if not, then there are no facts and absolutely nothing in the world can, will or has ever been proven, is that right?

joseph wrote:is the hole more important than the meat or is the meat more important than the hole?

@nonymous wrote:

joseph wrote:is the hole more important than the meat or is the meat more important than the hole?

in no stretch of the imagination does this sentence make sense.

@nonymous wrote:dioxin levels also build up in our bodies. it's so prevalent in our diets it is found in every mothers' breast milk.

Steps you can take to maximize the cancer-fighting power of your diet:

Build your diet from a variety of fruits, vegetables, grains, and legumes.

Include daily servings of brightly-colored fruits and vegetables and dark green, leafy vegetables.

Avoid foods from animal sources.

Select foods low in fat and salt.

Choose whole or minimally-processed foods over highly-processed foods and supplements.

Smoking Guns wrote:what are humans MEANT to be??

i don't believe humans are or were ever MEANT to be anything.

and to me, a vegetarian or vegan diet seems a logical part of our evolution. so i feel we're more MEANT to be leaning towards removing meat from our diets.

ilikehorses wrote:

Hank Fist wrote:

ilikehorses wrote: i've heard about people trying to raise their cats vegan and how unhealthy the cat becomes.

yeah, retarded. Like that couple that tried to make their newborn vegan. They gave it juice. It died. They were not smart. But anyways, Humans aren't meant to be vegan. sorry.

that's a huge argument that neither of us are going to win.

and being vegan has VERY LITTLE with what we're "supposed" to be and more with how awful we have become.

@nonymous wrote:ed is right. if we were all feral animals without all of the problems western civilization has caused us, you might find me next to you at the camp fire sharing some hunted boar.

but nowadays with dioxins and other chemicals in meat and dairy products that cause cancer and whatever else, we can't trust what we eat. being vegan is the healthiest and most compassionate choice.

adaptation dudes.

Varg wrote: Look no further than the case of the parents making their baby a vegetarian and KILLING it. The most obvious answer, is usually the right one.

Hank Fist wrote: By meant, i meant physiologically. If our body can use digest it and use it in a positive manner, then we're meant to consume it. I'm not going to waste these wonderful enzymes my body has provided for me. I know this argument has already happened a hundred times here.
if it's cold and you need some hides on your back and some smoked meat in the gut, i'll be happy to provide. please give me some beans, squash, and corn if i'm hungry, maybe some hemp underwear or something. we will get along.

Varg wrote:

@nonymous wrote:ed is right. if we were all feral animals without all of the problems western civilization has caused us, you might find me next to you at the camp fire sharing some hunted boar.

but nowadays with dioxins and other chemicals in meat and dairy products that cause cancer and whatever else, we can't trust what we eat. being vegan is the healthiest and most compassionate choice.

adaptation dudes.

Another perfect example of your idiotic "I'm right, you're wrong. You vote for Bush, I live in a bush."


I am the healthiest person on this board and far more conscious of what goes in to my body than any of you. And unless there are any physiology/nutritional gurus here that I'm unaware of, I'm pretty confident in saying that I understand nutrition far better than any of you.

Some of the most unhealthy people I've met in my life are vegetarians. A vegetarian diet exhibits ABSOLUTELY NO PROOF OF REDUCED RISK OF CANCER. You are a moron plain and simple. I wouldn't doubt that you think taking multi-vitamins is considered healthy. For somebody who claims to NOT subscribe to fads and not be a "SHEEPLE" you've really goofed up on this. There are more nutritional fads in a year than there are clothing in a decade.

"Eat this...it reduces your chances of cancer"
Two months later: "Don't eat too much, It could cause prostate cancer!"

Last month it was Pomegranate. Actually, It probably still is...



Look no further than the case of the parents making their baby a vegetarian and KILLING it. The most obvious answer, is usually the right one.

ilikehorses wrote:

BECAUSE TWO PEOPLE DID IT ALL PEOPLE DID IT.

actually, it's quite acknowledged that a high-meat diet (or average meat diet) puts individuals at GREAT risk for many kinds of cancer and osteoporosis, not to mention hypertension and many, many more diseases.

it is only recommended that a person ingest a very, very small amount of meat per day and week.

just because youre healthy now doesn't mean you won't be staring down the business end of colon cancer in a couple decades.

and again, and in caps so you all know i'm serious, VEGAN DIETS HAVE LESS TO DO ABOUT WHAT IS NATURAL AND MORE ABOUT OUR AWFUL SYSTEM OF ENSLAVEMENT AND TORTURE. humans in a jungle or wild plains might very well eat SOME meat (not a meat-exclusive diet or even meat-based diet). but we are not in a jungle, we are not on the wild plains. we are not wild animals.

Varg wrote:
I am the healthiest person on this board and far more conscious of what goes in to my body than any of you.

DARKBASS wrote:

Varg wrote:
I am the healthiest person on this board and far more conscious of what goes in to my body than any of you.

How could you possibly know that?